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Re: Halt Evil Doer! 3.0 - Even more Zaziness!

Postby Charles Phipps » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:28 pm

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I like Bushranger, nice job.

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Postby Charles Phipps » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:16 pm

greycrusader wrote:My stamina (both physical and mental) is still not quite fully replenished yet unfortunately (though I'm continuing to recover), so this will not be an extensive post on my part. However, as we must catapult the thread forward to 100 pages so a new HED! thread can begin, here are a few concept-seeds for the Blackwings of the World (both past and contemporary versions):


Spiffy!

Mexico: The Blackwing-equivalent would be a successor to Graywing, in a bit of a closed circle; where the original Graywing helped train George Timmons, Blackwing II is mentor to the Graywing legacy. The Mexican branch of the burgeoning Blackwing International receives a great deal of material support from Alex Timmons, as Mexico is on the verge of failed statehood, in danger of becoming a narco-nation. The new Graywing likely faces off against few genuine supervillains or costumed criminals, as Mexico's real danger is the drug cartels. But HED Mexico does have more than a few vampires, demons, mad scientists, and rampaging masked wrestlers. Still, perhaps there are two Blackwing analogues South of the Border, one more a luchadore styled crimefighter who tackles the esoteric villains, while the other handles the serious business?


It should be noted that Graywing is something of a footnote in Mexico. While they're happy to point out Graywing was one of their own, they do mention that the majority of his career didn't begin until he'd crossed the border so he'd made less of an impression in the motherland than Falconcrest City. Of course, he WAS remembered as an excellent wrestler.

Still, Alex's help and money is indeed welcome.

Columbia: My concept is the original Columbian version of Blackwing was slain years ago by cartel assassins, and despite Alex Timmons best efforts, Blackwing International has not been able to establish an official branch in the nation. This has not stopped a group of idealistic youths from donning makeshift costumes and employing guerrila-style tactics against the cocaine lords; they are aided by the aging but still determined remnants of the now-deceased Columbian Blackwing's former sidekicks. Alex does his best to funnel money and equipment to the young heroes through unoffical channels, though even he finds the corruption of the government and police maddening.


There have been numerous Black Wings who have also been "compromised" it should be noted. One thing that is to be remembered is that the cartels often have ties to PHANTOM or other terrorist groups. This means they have a vested interest in undermining superheroes as a whole. A few cartels have sponsored their own superheroes who use vast amounts of money to give to charity while secretly running wetworks for them under the guise of supervillains (they change costume).

It's really hurt the credibility of superheroes nation-wide, especially when Black Wing II has to expose them.

Brazil: A nation of extremes and contradictions, Brazil has a burgeoning economy, a thriving tourist trade, an emergent democracy-and extraordinary levels of violent crime, poverty, and government ineptitude. My idea is a Blackwing created by the government as a national symbol. But this Blackwing proves almost too effective and popular, employing often brutal and ruthless tactics to combat Brazil's rampant street crime and kidnapping gangs. He has begun to assume control over a number of the various special police units and pressuring local and federal officials to grant him broader and broader license to deal with criminals. The crime lords of Brazil have placed a MASSIVE bounty on his head.


I'm reminded of one of the Fast and the furious movies.

Good job!

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Postby Charles Phipps » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:19 pm

Love the Black Wings of Israel and Palestine.

Truth be told, there's actually a Green Wing operating independently in Iran.

He adopted it without Alex's approval or support but is mostly fighting for democracy.

Unusual, he's completely nonviolent and seems to possess some form of telepathy and illusion-making powers.

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Postby greycrusader » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:06 pm

I imagine Blackwing II's reputation as a humanitarian is nearly as great as that of his secret identity, Alex Timmons. Unlike his adopted father and predecessor, Blackwing II is NOT motivated by vengeance or even by the need to impose order and justice on an inherently unjust world; instead he is motivated by genuine benevolence and empathy. Of course, he is driven to thwart and even counterbalance/undo the innumerable evil acts of his biological father, but in an odd way this simply makes even more the ultimate good samiritan. Blackwing is the type of superhero who goes beyond stopping crimes, capturing villains, or rescuing people in peril; he uses his scientific acumen to heal and cure victims of metamen violence, arranges for psychological counseling for those traumatized by the same, speaks out against bigotry against those who are "different", lends his reputations to worthy rundraisers, visits super-criminals he deems "redeemable" in prison and arranges for jobs and education for them when they are released.

He's even more of a costumed do-gooder than Divinos, who despite being nearly a celestial being in mortal form is still an outsider to humanity, a member of a race far more socially and morally advanced than humankind. Divinos is the kindest and most considerate being on the planet, but the Pureheart Paragon still doesn't quite know how to handle normal human beings-he tends to vacillate between either not realizing how fragile people really can be (psychollogically and physically), especially given the more-than-human company Divinos keeps, OR trying to do and say too much, out of an overabundance of concern.

Because of Blackwing's reputation, even non-aligned heroes such as the Iranian Green Wing seek to emulate him; obviously Green Wing's goal is to protect and promote the revolutionary democratic movement in Iran (which was actually hi-jacked by Islamists back in 1979 when freedom was nearly in hand) without violence, baffling and frustrating the theocratic tyrants and their thugs without triggering retaliations or confrontations. His metamen abilities and considerable talent at stealth also allow him to supply the freedom fighters with badly needed funds and safe houses.

It doesn't hurt, of course, that Green Wing's sobriquet and costume suggest he is a member of Blackwing International, the truth of which the Persian hero has been rather coy about. After all, even the fanatical clerics aren't quite foolish enough to go after someone who might be an ally of one of the three most effective superheroes on the planet.

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Postby Charles Phipps » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:15 pm

Of course, it's an open secret that Black Wing II and Alex are the same person. It's about as well known now as Green Arrow is Oliver Queen.

Bizarrely, the only people who absolutely refuse to believe it are Black Wing's many rogues. This is, to be fair, due to the fact that 90% of the tricks Black Wing has used over the years to persuade them that he's NOT George/Alex Timons have left a lasting impression. This includes body-doubles, time travel, shape-shifters, and the old "kidnap Alexander Timons only for Black Wing to rescue him."

It's happened SO often that they adamantly REFUSE to believe it under any circumstances and believe Alex is only using the hint of it on behalf of Black Wing II. The Iron Khan, General Venom, Red King, and Death Mask III know the truth, of course, but have their own reasons for not simply just blowing up Raven towers.

(not that others haven't tried)

As a note, Green Wing takes his color from the recent failed reform election in Iran. The irony was that, prior to it, he wasn't actually clamoring for that much in the way of change but now is devoted to increasing amounts of it. He's worked against foreign agents in the past, however, being devoted to Iran as a country but his loathing of the present government is ever-growing.

He just hopes for a peaceful transition to something that respects the people's wishes.

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Postby Libra » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:30 pm

The Falcon had a good deal more trouble with the law than many of the Black Wings including a Foundation for World Harmony squad with orders to "shoot to kill." Really, his adventures were almost Miller-esque in terms of having to deal with a government quite actively hostile and believing him to be a terrorist.


Amusingly Il Falcon is probably closer to Ezio Auditore da Firenze than to Frank Miller's Batman in personality; at any rate Gualtiero comes as close as any technical pacifist superhero can get to a man who makes justified homicide his life's work. This probably does absolutely nothing to decrease the sheer ferocious desire of The Law to bring him to heel, since a relatively cheerful and well-balanced (if increasingly introspective) vigilante is even WORSE than the 'Gosh-Darned' Batman, since he keeps being so d--- likeable all the time!

Sadly, being a mostly mortal man, the bullet wounds and broken bones he'd sustained meant he was crippled from superhuman crime fighting by the end of it. He's still a master detective but requires a cane to walk.


Amusingly, despite all they've done to keep him alive over the years, Gualtiero keeps grumbling about doctors behind their backs - they keep calling him OLD for Saint Peter's sake and he's only just passed his PRIME!

He's considering running for politics.


He's also considering running away from all those scheming politicians; he'll let you know what he decides to do when he stops laughing like a loon at the very idea of his running away from (rather than leaping headlong at) a problem. After all, why break the fearless habits of decades?

Common sense? HAH!

The Incorruptible is already in his late fifties now so this is getting to be something of a joke, even if he does take the Raven Foundation's longevity treatments regularly. Of course, part of the reason he's still able to continue the business at all is due to the fact that he's surrounded by a large number of extremely french young heroes serving as his legwork and which have included Musketeers and other flashy swashbuckler types.


Then The Joke is on all those energetic young puppies who keep telling Aristide he's too old for this sort of thing - he's always preferred to do the heavy thinking while some more muscular fellow do-gooder (police, secret service or superhero, he's not fussy when it comes to the muscle!) handles the hand-to-hand.

Something of a running joke: The Incorruptible knocks on the front door of his latest adversary, introduces himself, assumes the most comfortable seat in the room and sits back to enjoy the view while his latest protege/henchman makes the most spectacular entrance and incredible mess of the opposition possible.

His latest lieutenant is one of those homages to the musketeers that keep popping up on the rooftops of Paris
and spectacularly gallant even by the uncommonly fearless (and frequently senseless) standards of the type, who seems kept from a painful demise only by the fact that he is quite the most inventively dirty fighter The Incorruptible has ever met (and he's met BOTH Winter Watchmen).

Sadly, not many beautiful women want to work for him like he'd imagined when he'd created it. Ah, yes, he's married but a man can dream can't he?


Not if his wife has any say in the matter - she much prefers to make dreams a reality! :wink:

(She has a lot of practice, as she's Aristide's resident muse, technical specialist and quite often acts as his resident hand-to-hand expert when his latest protege is in traction, rather than on the streets or the rooftops).

The Incorruptible is currently trying to make inroads with France's Muslim superhero, the Faithful Servant II.


Aristide can always use more leg-men (aka "Those who will do the legwork AND deal with the hand-to-hand" - ironically The Incorruptible is a surprisingly formidible combatant, he just dislikes letting little things like pin-pointing some mook's most vulnerable nerve-clusters disract him from the REAL business of sleuthing).

You know Charles, I have a suspicion that the Superhuman community of France would make a fascinating topic for discussion one of these days! (I'll put it on The List, alongside Australia). :wink:

Honestly, the Cold War wasn't that bad for street crime or urban terrorism due to the fact that Berlin was one of the most supremely well guarded by superheroes without much to do places in the world. Still, there were always things that fell into the cracks.


True enough - the problem was that Berlin or wherever else the latest hot-spot or hot-shot megalomaniac had cropped up would always distract the Freedom Alliance and the People's Revolution from comparatively minor apolitical threats like organised crime - which left the rest of Germany (East and West) rather vulnerable, especially given how discredited the idea of costumed champions independent of public scrutiny had become after the Second World War ended and over the course of the Cold War.

Besides, there was (and is!) more to Germany than Berlin. :wink:

Sadly, just for pathos, he disappeared and no one knows what happened to him.


There are plenty of suspicions and most of them centre around the International Crime League, PHANTOM or both acting in concert. Whether these suspicions are at all accurate is an interesting question.

Alex, honestly, did like him the best.


Zen Master Raven was congenially-addicted to candy and was always willing to share his stash with any poor soul like Alex Timmons, cruelly deprived of chocolate by a hypochondriac foster-father! (Also the ladies loved Master Raven for more than just his bankroll and he was willing to share the secrets of his winning ways with the fairer sex with Alex too - Alexander Timmons sometimes wondered if he shouldn't emancipate himself from George and get Takahiro to adopt him. Then he realised that he couldn't stand the competition!).


Canadian crime, being what it is, usually requires heroes to commute to do any actual fighting.


Honestly, The Canadian Crusader sometimes sneaks south of the border to get in a little extra crime-fighting on the side. Why does he sneak? Why because LAWMAN would never let Lawson hear the end of it if he were caught abandoning Beloved Canada, at peril of leaving her defenceless in hypothetical Hour of Need! (you know Hero Force 1 and Ymir are going to die someday, so Lawman will ensure that SOMEONE will be ready to take up the slack somehow, even if he has to grant Honourary Citizenship to the Lakeland Liberators!!).

Honestly, Lawson loves his gran'pa, but the Grand Old Man will ALWAYS need to take a chill pill.

Possibly several million of them.

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I can hardly wait to meet these Elegaic Avengers! :wink:
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Postby Libra » Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:51 pm

Still plugging away at my 'Black Wings of the World: The Present Day' article, just so you know. :wink:
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Postby greycrusader » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:37 pm

Charles Phipps wrote:Of course, it's an open secret that Black Wing II and Alex are the same person. It's about as well known now as Green Arrow is Oliver Queen.

Bizarrely, the only people who absolutely refuse to believe it are Black Wing's many rogues. This is, to be fair, due to the fact that 90% of the tricks Black Wing has used over the years to persuade them that he's NOT George/Alex Timons have left a lasting impression. This includes body-doubles, time travel, shape-shifters, and the old "kidnap Alexander Timons only for Black Wing to rescue him."

It's happened SO often that they adamantly REFUSE to believe it under any circumstances and believe Alex is only using the hint of it on behalf of Black Wing II. The Iron Khan, General Venom, Red King, and Death Mask III know the truth, of course, but have their own reasons for not simply just blowing up Raven towers.

(not that others haven't tried)



Those who tried were likely the villains with nothing to lose (pariahs even among other super-criminals, uncaring psychopaths such as Bloodwing or Count Reich II, terminally ill villains), psychotics such as the HED Professor Purgatory, or cosmic-powered bastards (archdemons, evil demigods, and the like). Another "open secret" among the villain community is all the major heroes are on mostly good terms with each other, at least when it comes to protecting (or avenging) their own. There are agreements, compacts, and contingencies in place that prevent even the most arrogant masterminds from casually assassinating all of Splotch's friends or detonating a nuke in Falconcrest City to get rid of the Blackwing Family: these types of actions would bring down MAJOR consequences.
MAJOR CONSEQUENCES.

So you're the Red King and you decide to unleash a bio-weapon inside Falconcrest to annihilate the populance after Dawn Wing and Crimson Wing thwarted your latest little anti-human jihad? You go right ahead and do so. Then sit back and watch what happens to your little rogue metaman nation. First, the Mithran technology of Divinos' 7th Heaven orbital headquarters turns decidedly offensive in nature, targeting and destroying all your "cloaked" death-ray satellites. Next, the Aeon Family unleash sophisticated cyber-attacks against Genesis Island's computer infrastructure. Johnny Drake and Ymir ride screaming across the Pacific to launch a frontal assault, while a Galactic Guardsmen squadron descend from the skies on your stronghold. Lady Grayhaven and her Lions target every Gene Nation terrorist cell across the United States (the Hierophant revealed their locations in return for the Pride pledging a year of faithful service to him). Athena unleashes a weapon of mass destruction of her own-Pandora's Box, primed to deliver a host of particularly ironic curses upon your capitol city.

Still think your retaliation was worth it, Red (ex-) King? Thought not.
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Postby Libra » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:16 pm

And that's only what happens when Black-Wing II ISN'T calling the shots!

One question, Grey Crusader - who is Johnny Drake? I can't remember seeing the name before and now you've piqued by interest! :mrgreen:
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Postby greycrusader » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:44 pm

Johnny Drake is a synaptic slip on my part, when I partially substitued the name of his Marvel-ous ghostly inspiration for that of HED's own Lucien Drake (Headless Horseman).

Still, since I committed the unenforced error, perhaps once the Blackwing Intl material is finished, I'll create a Johnny Drake, likely as an occasional fill-in for the Horseman's role. That will likely wait for the 4th HED thread.

Continuing my own ruminations on possible other World-Wide Blackwing analogues:

Turkey: The so-called Blackwing Brigade (the actual membership is a tiny fraction of brigade size) is a joint venture between the Turkish military and the Turkish entertainment/film industry. The team leader's name translates literally into English as "Mighty Wingman", with other members dubbed Power-Wing, Super-Wing, Winged Whirlwind, and like-themed codenames. They are essentially the default national Turkish superteam, with their exploits followed and documented by omnipresent camera crews, the better to bolster pride among the Turks. Various individuals have filled the costumes, though the Mighty Wingman role is always taken by an elite military officer, one cross-trained in police techniques.The Turkish government closely studied Blackwing II's methods and equipment before embarking on the Blackwing Brigade project, and Mighty Wingman's costume, armament, and training are a low-end approximation of the original (Alex Timmons' genius and willpower cannot be replicated), with the addition of high-powered firearms.

The other members are a mix of metamen, Olympic-caliber wrestlers or weightlifters, and highly trained cops and soldiers. They are backed up by a larger contingent of ordinary policemen decked in uniforms featuring Dawnwing's color scheme. The Blackwing Brigade mostly battle against the PPK terrorist group, the odd metaman criminal, and organized drug running and smuggling, street crime relatively low in Turkey. They are tough and effective, and have also (like the Turkish police and prison authorities) a checkered record of human rights abuses. The Blackwing Brigade have also acted in Turkish B-movies fictionalizing their adventures, usually just playing themselves.

It should be noted Turkey also has costumed imitators of Divinos, Steel Commando, Splotch, Ultimatum, and even an Ymir (with a 'stache which puts that of the real Atomic Viking to shame!)

There are also two Crimson-Wings active in Turkey, though both are male: one is a brilliant and ruthless PPK terrorist leader (whom the FFWH suspects has ties to PHANTOM as well), while the other is a courageous and inspiring figure who battles for minority rights (particularly those of Armenians and Kurds) and against police brutality. The PPK Crimson Wing either has the metaman power of pyrokinesis or tech which duplicates the ability; he is a talented fighter, marksman, and guerrila fighter with no compunctions about inflicting "collateral damage". The PHANTOM ties are suspected because of his access to such items as jet packs, carbonadium body armor, and rocket-pistols. The heroic Crimson Wing apparently has metaman durability or regeneration and is a superior athlete, hand-to-hand fighter, and aeralist.
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Postby Phrozen » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:52 pm

I thought it was India that had all the knock off movies. I know I saw a dance number with an Superman and Spider-Girl.

and now I got the image of Splotch and The Red King in an epic rap battle. Except The Red King is really just confused as to way Splotch is making fun of him in rhyme. Don't know where that came from.

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Postby Daibhid C » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:11 pm

From some ideas I jotted down a while ago about HED! Scotland:

The Corbie
Robbie Ruthven ("No, I'm not related to any vampires; he stole that name from my family") is not a member of the Black Wings International, having brusquely told Alex "I don't do teams". Before Alex had even considered making the offer, in fact.

As this suggests, he fulfulls the "Grim Avenger" stereotype in spades. Oddly, he doesn't have any tragic background to explain this. His grimness appears to be a natural characteristic, perhaps influenced by his chosen totem; he feels that once you've chosen to dress as a Hooded Crow, symbol of the Morrigan* and death, you sort of have to live up to this image.

* He has in fact, encountered a being claiming to be the Morrigan on a couple of occasions. His only comment on these encounters is "Well, as it turns out, she's not grim. Neil Gaiman had the right of it."


Ruthven is based in Edinburgh and regularly patrols that city. (Haunted Edinburgh Tours have cheerfully made up a story about a Springheeled Jack type figure, which they tell their tour groups just before the Corbie is due to swing past overhead.) In his secret identity, he's a journalist for the Caledonian newspaper, usually reporting on the Scottish Parliament.

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Postby greycrusader » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:01 pm

The Kingdom of Denmark (Denmark, Greenland, and the Faroe Islands): The chillingly beautiful Blackwing Woman has been a presence for nearly twenty years. Strangely, her private campaign against falsehood and malice began as a non-costumed adventurer, spurred into investigating the murder of a young friend. While she eventually succeeded in bringing the perpetrators to justice, she knew still greater evil existed in the land. Already blessed with a keen deductive mind, a fit body, and almost preternatural instincts for ice and snow (nearly a superpower in the region), she nonetheless spent several years training to prepare for her new chosen role.

More a detective than a fighter, Blackwing Woman is nonetheless a skilled shot with a crossbow or hunting rifle, an expert skier, and almost eerily stealthy. Though now in her mid-fifties, she is still agile and resilient; while her physical regime certainly is responsible for much of this, Blackwing Woman's first case saw her exposed to the strange, life-enhancing radiations of a mysterious alien artifact. This may partially explain her unusual vitality and resistance to cold.

Still only an above-average hand to hand fighter, Blackwing Woman prefers either capturing wrongdoers at gunpoint or simply exposing their crimes to the police, allowing the Danish authorities to handle arrests and imprisonment. When necessary, she turns to a huge, brutally strong Inuit hunter for assistance. The masked Cendrik (a title in the young man's family for generations) may be the only person alive better able to track through snow than Blackwing Woman herself. Cendrik is normally as gentle as he is large, but woe to any who harm children when the gigantic hunter is around.

It should be noted the Scandinavian Blackwing Woman has nothing to do with the now retired American adventurer and dilettante who formerly used the codename. The pseudonym was actually bestowed upon her by the Danish press before she even had a chance to formally announce a superhero name of her choosing.
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Postby MightyDavidson » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:11 pm

Surely Denmark can do better then....Blackwing Woman. I mean the character sounds great don't get me wrong but she NEEDS a better name.

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Postby greycrusader » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:28 pm

Sweden (and also Finland): The Blackwing Woman is not the only Scandinavian hero associated with Blackwing...though the Swedish Law Poet has a fair amount of resentment about the suppossed link. This Law Poet is only the latest in a long line of heroic skalds who have fought both mundane and macabre evil across the generations. Though not so prodigiously equipped as Blackwing II, the Law Poet has his own underground crimefighting base, mini-sub, and stealth plane; his skills and preparation are in no manner second-rate. In addition to more ordinary talents, Law Poet has a measure of occult knowledge, particularly that of old runic magic. His spoken verses can inspire allies, bring about clarity of thought, and rattle the confidence of his foes.

The previous Law Poet was an early member of the Worldwide Costumed Heroes Club, an attendee of the very first meeting. He and the first Blackwing became fast (if casual friends) and never thought anything wrong with learning and adopting methods from each other. When the time came to retire, he made a gift to his successor: a costume, a less traditional but more functional one...which happened to resemble that of the George Timmons Blackwing (with reversed colors).

When the current Law Poet grew tired of the frequent comparisions (and being thought an imitator), he changed costumes and varied his fighting style a bit. This was all for naught, as soon after he had to team up with his American counterpart (now Alex in the role) to bring down the monstrous villain Coal Wight, even being forced to switch identities at one point during the adventure, to confuse their foe. He has since learned to accept being thought of as the Swedish version of you-know-who, and even has a begrudging friendship/respect for Blackwing II.
Just do not push the matter too far with him.
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