Foreshadow wrote:Greycrusader, if you were to do Wonder Woman what would you have set her Agility to? A 10 or some other number. Is no one more agility in DCU than Wonder Woman. The way I've seen her portrayed in all media doesn't reflect such a score, iconically she seems agile, and perhaps superhuman but 10? Fine, but no one outclasses her? I've even seen some attempt to slap a 10 Agility on Spider-Man and each time I see Spidey in Action, it is way more agile than the Wonder Woman I see portrayed. I can't see her nimbly and gracefully leaping through falling debris like Spidey, but rather more like Superman, simply flying through with rapid speed. She is agile, but clearly not on par with Spidey, hence those who gave him a 10 are off.
Still, no one warrents an agility higher than 10 in DC Universe?
Harley Quinn has an Intellect of 6. She is portrayed as a ditzy blonde. Sure she might have been a doctor and thus have skill ranks but she doesn't seem iconically portrayed as a brilliant person, like say Oracle is. From the iconic take she seems more appropriate to have 3 or 4, maybe a 5 if you stretched it, but really, 4 seems more than enough and clearly a case where lower ability and more skill ranks in specific areas is a better approach.
I get the book says 'not what you expect' but that seems like a cop out in some cases to hide behind, Sure if its close, but when its clearly off it seems, well, off sort of like when Brainaic had a 13 Intellect and was raised a bit to 15.
So if you did Harley and Wonder Woman what would you give? Please explain in the form of a little blurp like you did with those other characters. I like how you characterize.
any other little tweaks you might have made? If you list them great, but if you can give a little reasoning behind it go for it.
I get that its your 'opinion', but then like in the case of Harley who I see portrayed as a ditzy girl, saying she is a smarter as Peter Parker takes a bit of explaining....what in the wide world of comics gives such a basis for that type of number.
Please understand the official write-ups in the DCAdventure books are just that-they are considered official by Green Ronin. Jon L chose writers he felt capable of handling the characters, and DC editors signed off on their interpretations, including my own entries in the books.
That being said, obviously everyone is free to change the various DCU heroes and villains to suit their own campaigns; many of the characters have been around for years or decades, and have undergone numerous revisions, reboots, or in-universe transformations, so there is plenty of justification for tweaking the stats to represent slightly different versions, as stated in the rule books themselves.
The Silver Age/Bronze Age Wonder Woman was definitely a supreme all-around athlete, even discounting her super-strength and speed. She often performed incredible feats of acrobatic and combat gymnastics, and often combined incredible agility with her super-speed. However, in the last twenty years or so, Diana has often been more of a straight-forward fighter. So one could lower her Agility trait (and Dodge score), while upping her Toughness or giving her a few ranks of Impervious Protection to represent WW's durability, giving her a measure of resistance not dependent on her Amazonian bracelets.
Harley Quinn's Int score is probably based more on her mainstream DCU appearances, which I admit I am not terribly familiar enamored with in total, aside from her own short-lived series. I much prefer the DCAU version, along with the animated series comics tie-ins. In those, Ms. Quinzeel was generally portrayed as a manic, slightly simpering goofball, but almost charming despite her irrationality. Her background is established as either a psychiatrist or Ph.D candidate psychologist, much smarter than her usual persona indicates, though some tales of her origin imply Harley seduced and cheated to secure her academic credentials. Still, even in the DCAU Harley sometimes musters considerable intelligence and willpower against Batman, Batgirl, Mr. J (when he pushers her too far) or whomever is her target of the moment.
If I was doing the version I am most comfortable writing up, I might lower her Int to 4 while boosting her Pre attribute a couple points, and giving her extra ranks in Deception and/or Persuasion; I might give her an enhanced advantage or two, such as Favored Enemy: Bat-Family members, and Second Chance (Deception, representing talent in tricking others) but both would be Unreliable and Limited to situations when Harley has some overriding motivation.
All my best.