No Save(+2) with powers with Lasting effects

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No Save(+2) with powers with Lasting effects

Post by Dan_Kopes » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:24 pm

How does No Save(+2) affect powers that are lasting? (I'm using this with Emotion Control.)

1) The target gets no save on the initial hit, but do they get a save on the later rolls to shake off the effect?

2) If they do not get any saves, when does the power wear off?

If they do get saves after the intial hit, it seems that No Save is actually weaker for lasting powers. Sure the initial hit gets them automatically, but the later DC saves will be a lot lower due to the cost of the extra +2 per rank.

3) And along the same lines, how do you slow down the later saves on Lasting effects? I saw a previous post that said that Slow Fade does not affect the lasting part of a power. What would you use to increase the time between the lasting saving throws?

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Re: No Save(+2) with powers with Lasting effects

Post by Steve Kenson » Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:12 am

Dan_Kopes wrote:How does No Save(+2) affect powers that are lasting? (I'm using this with Emotion Control.)

1) The target gets no save on the initial hit, but do they get a save on the later rolls to shake off the effect?
This is correct.
If they do get saves after the intial hit, it seems that No Save is actually weaker for lasting powers. Sure the initial hit gets them automatically, but the later DC saves will be a lot lower due to the cost of the extra +2 per rank.
The No Save effect will be weaker long-term than a standard effect with the same number of points, but that's the price you pay for an automatic success right at the start.
3) And along the same lines, how do you slow down the later saves on Lasting effects?
You don't, there's no mechanism for this, apart from making the lasting effect Continuous so it grants no recovery saves at all. The reason for this is that stretching out the time between the initial saves makes them almost moot and is too great a benefit for something like Progression.
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