Emerald City on Amazon

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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby Spectrum » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:40 am

Sketchpad wrote:Oh I know how distribution works. :) And unfortunately, it's been so many more than just one CS person at Amazon. Honestly, that's why I deal with other online stores more for my gaming and comic needs. :D


Like who? While I'm leery of straying too far off the well tread internet commerce path, I'm willing to at least start looking.

It's unfortunate that (as far as I'm aware) there isn't a brick and mortar game store within an hour of me. Tons of comic stores, but no game stores.

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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby kobold king » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:49 pm

I am guessing at this point amazon is not really going to carry this book which is unfortunate because I can't afford cover price for a game that I rarely get to play. What really sucks is the cs rep keeps telling me they are "looking into it"
Very disappointed :(

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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby saint_matthew » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:08 am

kobold king wrote:I am guessing at this point amazon is not really going to carry this book which is unfortunate because I can't afford cover price for a game that I rarely get to play. What really sucks is the cs rep keeps telling me they are "looking into it"
Very disappointed :(


Its not just Amazon, I had the same thing with Booktopia. They had 50% off the cover price, but they have no idea when the book is actually going to be available even at the suppliers... An after seeing the military sims release price of $70 before shipping, that's way to rich for my blood, especially given how the book for me is more a curiosity than a "must have" release.

Increasingly, this book looks to have priced itself right out of my price bracket, given that I already have my own setting, I am not a huge fan of the silver age of comics, I already own the ECK's content (an wasn't impressed by it), as well as the sentinels pages (also not hugely impressed by) & I don't really care for the single origin event idea.... Its getting to the point where what I'd be getting isn't worth the increasingly steep price tag & I have a feeling the steepness of the pricing has a lot to do with the limited print nature of the book.

But whatever the reason I hope it resolves its self soon, because emerald City has really become a bit of a comedy of errors (many of which were outside the control of GR, but still a comedy of errors).
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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby saint_matthew » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:17 am

So John just got his copy & I've had a chance to flick through it.... I'll be honest I don't see me getting this book, as I found it kind of unimpressive.

One of my biggest issues with it is the artwork, which shares flaws with the writing.... Its not so much that the artwork is bad so much as its misused & quite often dull. An by that I mean that is you have dozens of b-roll images of buildings, an people, an images that could have been taken from a university guide book, but only a single clear image of Tellex & its not even in the section talking about Tellex: Its the visual equivalent of burying the leed. That really should have been your icon opening image, just like Freedom Cities opening image was the Freedom League floating in front of the Centurion Statue, its second image was the Claremont class shot & its third was the city as seen from the bridge, with the centurion statue being front and centre... For us those images have become icons of Freedom City.

An it doesn't stop at Tellax, there's also things like Victory Squadron image.... Instead of every character getting an image, or there being a dynamic group shot, what we get is a picture of a picture of a group shot, at a terrible angle & to small to make out clear details from. Apparently a major part of the cities super heroic legacy wasn't quite as visually important in a super hero campaign setting book as a generic image of a shopping mall (an image that took up half a page).

An this misplaced zeal is not just evident in the artwork its also evident in the writing: The book goes into great depth on things like the commission on heritage buildings, it gives us entire multi paragraph write ups for unimportant bit supporting cast, entire side bars about business and industry (that really said nothing), but then gives us less than 4 lines per entry for any member of the Victory Squadron.

Its not that Emerald City isn't a good setting so much as it feels like its a good superhero setting beng explained to me by someone whose not much for superheroes & comics, but is totally obsessively crazily into civil engineering & the idea of cities as a system of specialised interlocking sub systems & conspiracy theories about secret interlocking sub systems (seriously the amount of deep dark secrets are astounding).

If that zeal could have been refocused into the "being a superhero universe" concept this book would have been at the very least a above average book: Alas that was not the case. I do not see this book making it to my bookshelf, though John seems happy enough with his copy.
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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby Monolith » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:26 am

I didn't have any major problems with the artwork in ec. Of course I haven't been psyched about M&M's artwork since 1e. 1e had a specific style that drew a lot of people to try the game while 2e and 3e are basically just hiring anyone to do the work and just getting pics to fill empty space.

It's a little sad that we're in the middle of the era of the superhero and a little more effort isn't put into making the art grander and more consistent, but art isn't cheap and I don't get the idea that Green Ronin is running on a big budget here.

I would think GR would be trying a little harder to catch the superhero wave before it diminishes, though. They could've put out some pdf projects to tie into Thor, Cap, Spiderman, and upcoming X-men movies using various FC and EC characters in place of the comic heroes. It really feels like GR is trying to avoid the best marketing they'll ever get while supers are still on this high.

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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby FuzzyBoots » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:30 am

Monolith wrote:I would think GR would be trying a little harder to catch the superhero wave before it diminishes, though. They could've put out some pdf projects to tie into Thor, Cap, Spiderman, and upcoming X-men movies using various FC and EC characters in place of the comic heroes. It really feels like GR is trying to avoid the best marketing they'll ever get while supers are still on this high.

Of course, as a small company, they may also be trying to avoid getting sued into oblivion while the increased popularity means the juggernauts like Disney and Time Warner are itching for a chance to smash down anyone who might be confused for being associated with their blockbuster movies...

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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby Monolith » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:41 am

FuzzyBoots wrote:
Monolith wrote:I would think GR would be trying a little harder to catch the superhero wave before it diminishes, though. They could've put out some pdf projects to tie into Thor, Cap, Spiderman, and upcoming X-men movies using various FC and EC characters in place of the comic heroes. It really feels like GR is trying to avoid the best marketing they'll ever get while supers are still on this high.

Of course, as a small company, they may also be trying to avoid getting sued into oblivion while the increased popularity means the juggernauts like Disney and Time Warner are itching for a chance to smash down anyone who might be confused for being associated with their blockbuster movies...

90% of everything in FC is a homage to marvel or dc. They can easily put out any series of pdfs using their characters they want. If they wanted to throw out an Heroes of AEGIS pdf involving conflict with Shadow there's nothing DC, Marvel, or Disney can do about it; any more then they could do anything about Centurion, the Freedom League, and so on.

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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby saint_matthew » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:05 pm

Monolith wrote:It's a little sad that we're in the middle of the era of the superhero and a little more effort isn't put into making the art grander and more consistent, but art isn't cheap and I don't get the idea that Green Ronin is running on a big budget here.


Unfortunately even the small budget thing doesn't fly.... They've got countless useless images of B-roll of buildings, plants & one of princess sitting under a tree on a green field.... But then skimped on the flavour artwork that shows us what new things look like.... I think at this point we all know what a tree looks like, also what a shopping mall looks like & yet none of us knew what the Victory Squadron looked like, or Tellax, or the STAR squad.

An it wasn't just the lack of art towards things that should have art, there was the issue with the super villain artwork: half the villain art looked like it was created to pad for space. You had some real quality art work like Killshot, where every design aspect is deliberately & lovingly designed & they you have characters like Double time where I swear there isn't a single defined line or design element on the entire character.... OR worse yet Deathtrap, who looks like the commission for the artwork just reads "make me a Rob Liefeld looking character design, from his Youngblood era." :lol:

My last major complaint about the artwork is more about the layout than the art: There is just to much green.... WAY to much green. Between the green headers & footers, the green chapter headings, section heading, image borders & lastly but certainly not least; the hideous "shade the grey scale images green" scthick, there is entirely to much green. We get it, the city is called Emerald City.... Nuance is your friend guys, please employ it. :cry:
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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby Zaran » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:59 am

While I do find the criticisms informative could we take it to another thread? I was hoping there was some news about the Amazon pre-orders.

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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby Arkrite » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:14 pm

Well, I've been informed that they finally canceled the order that had been placed as my x-mas present, and informed the person who ordered it that Amazon couldn't get the product in question.

I did my best not to laugh when I heard that, seeing as the Green Ronin store seemed to have plenty in stock.

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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby saint_matthew » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:51 pm

Arkrite wrote:Well, I've been informed that they finally canceled the order that had been placed as my x-mas present, and informed the person who ordered it that Amazon couldn't get the product in question.

I did my best not to laugh when I heard that, seeing as the Green Ronin store seemed to have plenty in stock.


Ditto Booktopia. Though to be fair amazon did the same thing with 4E D&D core books.
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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby usgrandprix » Mon May 05, 2014 6:17 am

I got my amazon order yesterday.

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Re: Emerald City on Amazon

Postby saint_matthew » Mon May 05, 2014 6:54 am

usgrandprix wrote:I got my amazon order yesterday.


congrats. :D
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